Animations bug out when using multiple animations. #295

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opened 2026-08-14 03:13:47 +00:00 by DiscordBot · 41 comments
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Some of these animations are in the "idle" layer, some are in "special".

The wings, tentacle arm, and legs are all supposed to have an animation. They are each separate powers. There is a fourth animation in these photos, which displaces the head. It is part of the same power as the legs animation, so it worked / ceased to work alongside that.

In photo #1, the tentacle animation is working but the other three are not.

In photo #2, I removed the wings power and re-added the legs, which allowed their animation to work.

In photo #3, I re-added wings. The animation still does not work.

In photo #4, I removed the tentacle. The wing animation still does not work, but the leg one remains functional.

In photo #5, I removed the legs. The wing animation now works on refreshing it, though it's hard to see in the photo.

This bug has been occurring for a while. The order the powers/animations are applied in definitely matters, and I can get 1-2 animations to work at any given time. No more than that can be consistent working.

This occurs regardless of whether or not animations control overlapping bone names.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660477511831622/2026-08-13_21.03.50.png?ex=6a8c5faa&is=6a8b0e2a&hm=17af18cb7d7b5c1ac378f331f1a249670ad0d2f24d54f8484a786c732c73fcd6&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660478250160178/2026-08-13_21.04.01.png?ex=6a8c5faa&is=6a8b0e2a&hm=5fda16935884b8e68d75a61b9ee8ddafe79dcda162ab63f350785269a0c97f77&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660479462449262/2026-08-13_21.04.12.png?ex=6a8c5faa&is=6a8b0e2a&hm=0827796585b901873fb251020d55fb741ec4fe4ce1ae28e0b0cd45b2741cee85&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660480259104918/2026-08-13_21.04.35.png?ex=6a8c5faa&is=6a8b0e2a&hm=786532123503abfa778de3cfd1bfa07f3094d630f3723a17dc374eea7305f981&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660481601273906/2026-08-13_21.05.22.png?ex=6a8c5fab&is=6a8b0e2b&hm=cbd52443566a3a8ad85efa66de8053e25b21edd0986162038776077a3b9e5326&


Reported by @696799147537334312 via Discord — open thread

Some of these animations are in the "idle" layer, some are in "special". The wings, tentacle arm, and legs are all supposed to have an animation. They are each separate powers. There is a fourth animation in these photos, which displaces the head. It is part of the same power as the legs animation, so it worked / ceased to work alongside that. In photo #1, the tentacle animation is working but the other three are not. In photo #2, I removed the wings power and re-added the legs, which allowed their animation to work. In photo #3, I re-added wings. The animation still does not work. In photo #4, I removed the tentacle. The wing animation still does not work, but the leg one remains functional. In photo #5, I removed the legs. The wing animation now works on refreshing it, though it's hard to see in the photo. This bug has been occurring for a while. The order the powers/animations are applied in definitely matters, and I can get 1-2 animations to work at any given time. No more than that can be consistent working. This occurs regardless of whether or not animations control overlapping bone names. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660477511831622/2026-08-13_21.03.50.png?ex=6a8c5faa&is=6a8b0e2a&hm=17af18cb7d7b5c1ac378f331f1a249670ad0d2f24d54f8484a786c732c73fcd6& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660478250160178/2026-08-13_21.04.01.png?ex=6a8c5faa&is=6a8b0e2a&hm=5fda16935884b8e68d75a61b9ee8ddafe79dcda162ab63f350785269a0c97f77& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660479462449262/2026-08-13_21.04.12.png?ex=6a8c5faa&is=6a8b0e2a&hm=0827796585b901873fb251020d55fb741ec4fe4ce1ae28e0b0cd45b2741cee85& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660480259104918/2026-08-13_21.04.35.png?ex=6a8c5faa&is=6a8b0e2a&hm=786532123503abfa778de3cfd1bfa07f3094d630f3723a17dc374eea7305f981& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537660481601273906/2026-08-13_21.05.22.png?ex=6a8c5fab&is=6a8b0e2b&hm=cbd52443566a3a8ad85efa66de8053e25b21edd0986162038776077a3b9e5326& --- <sub>Reported by @696799147537334312 via Discord — [open thread](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264)</sub>
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Another example of this bug. In the first photo, all three animations (body/head, legs, and wings) are working fine. Second photo, I remove the conditions for one animation (body/head) but all three animations remain active.

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@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Another example of this bug. In the first photo, all three animations (body/head, legs, and wings) are working fine. Second photo, I remove the conditions for one animation (body/head) but all three animations remain active. **Attachments:** ![2026-08-13_21.15.31.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537661856905306112/2026-08-13_21.15.31.png?ex=6a7fdab3&is=6a7e8933&hm=b116906ff8f201b00ed923b7fb590b293fb70b4bfd70010a79340d5bef03c23d&) ![2026-08-13_21.17.56.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537660476194955264/1537661857496694805/2026-08-13_21.17.56.png?ex=6a7fdab3&is=6a7e8933&hm=57dd41c564120bea5f3a0800b890e34ab8418e9b3d9f1541db0042bf0f96fa4a&) --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537661857530253323)</sub>
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Are they supposed to activate all at once all the time?


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

Are they supposed to activate all at once all the time? --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537784442805026907)</sub>
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But yeah different animation controllers for different powers shouldnt work together. U should add the conditions and animations for other powers to all the controllers and see if it works. It should


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

But yeah different animation controllers for different powers shouldnt work together. U should add the conditions and animations for other powers to all the controllers and see if it works. It should --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537785224929214574)</sub>
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There’s so many possibilities I can’t realistically do that. I thought it was supposed to be that each power can have one of each type active?


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

There’s so many possibilities I can’t realistically do that. I thought it was supposed to be that each power can have one of each type active? --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537816851092996137)</sub>
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Because it’s not totally not woking, just kinda not working


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Because it’s not totally not woking, just kinda not working --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537816951919747172)</sub>
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It is but animation controllers of the same type arent meant to work together i think

Like movement and movement

Or special and special yk


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

It is but animation controllers of the same type arent meant to work together i think Like movement and movement Or special and special yk --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537817034883207248)</sub>
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So, is this sort of thing just impossible to do, then?


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

So, is this sort of thing just impossible to do, then? --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537817789698670672)</sub>
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Because there’s so many different animations across a dozen or more render layer


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Because there’s so many different animations across a dozen or more render layer --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537817938596204667)</sub>
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You mean, have it all in one animation controller? Issue with that is only one state can be active at a time


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

You mean, have it all in one animation controller? Issue with that is only one state can be active at a time --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537846074084171927)</sub>
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Not what i mean. I mean having everyone have their own controller but whatever you want to be able to mix add those anims and conditions to it too. Maybe itll work maybe it wont but wont hurt to try


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

Not what i mean. I mean having everyone have their own controller but whatever you want to be able to mix add those anims and conditions to it too. Maybe itll work maybe it wont but wont hurt to try --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537851097467723807)</sub>
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Definitely won’t work, because then they’d be all in the same state at once anyway


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Definitely won’t work, because then they’d be all in the same state at once anyway --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537867742038982656)</sub>
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Id say make one animation controller that fits everyone. Cuz im prty sure multiple controlers dont work together


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

Id say make one animation controller that fits everyone. Cuz im prty sure multiple controlers dont work together --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537870417413279845)</sub>
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Yeah, that's the problem though. There are literally hundreds of combinations, so then I'd need to do one for each


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Yeah, that's the problem though. There are literally hundreds of combinations, so then I'd need to do one for each --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537870771907461260)</sub>
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And each thing has multiple animations (idle, attack, etc) so I can't just combine them


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

And each thing has multiple animations (idle, attack, etc) so I can't just combine them --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537870841184788490)</sub>
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Ye ik watchu talking abt


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

Ye ik watchu talking abt --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537871675444432936)</sub>
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My venom controller is prty long cuz i made default and walking anims and it has to mess around with everything else and being outside of venom form


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

My venom controller is prty long cuz i made default and walking anims and it has to mess around with everything else and being outside of venom form --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537871785687646208)</sub>
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So, you'd recommend a separate animation and state for every single possible combination?


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

So, you'd recommend a separate animation and state for every single possible combination? --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537872168887779378)</sub>
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I'll do that if I absolutely need to, but I also want to see what Luc thinks about this first


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

I'll do that if I absolutely need to, but I also want to see what Luc thinks about this first --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537872279437049886)</sub>
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<@116908133602820103> Do you have any thoughts on this?


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

<@116908133602820103> Do you have any thoughts on this? --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537874099626446940)</sub>
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Yeah


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

Yeah --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537876545849270324)</sub>
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Thats what i did (kinda)


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

Thats what i did (kinda) --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537876619388002427)</sub>
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U can also link it all the default but ull need to give default A LOT of conditions


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

U can also link it all the default but ull need to give default A LOT of conditions --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1537876711012831363)</sub>
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Only one controller of a layer can be active at once


lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — jump to message

Only one controller of a layer can be active at once --- <sub>lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541170005331279992)</sub>
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And I dont really intent to change that


lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — jump to message

And I dont really intent to change that --- <sub>lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541170058884161607)</sub>
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So im not sure what the best way to handle this would be


lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — jump to message

So im not sure what the best way to handle this would be --- <sub>lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541170128945815583)</sub>
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Hmm. That’s inconvenient. But thanks for letting me know.


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Hmm. That’s inconvenient. But thanks for letting me know. --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541171476172906636)</sub>
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Do you think you might do a “move body parts” ability or animation layer? That would help things. Like solely for moving base body parts around to fit render layers, if that makes sense.


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Do you think you might do a “move body parts” ability or animation layer? That would help things. Like solely for moving base body parts around to fit render layers, if that makes sense. --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541171804939362314)</sub>
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that would defeat the purpose of why im not allowing multiple controllers of the same kind to be active

what exactly do you need to do here?


lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — jump to message

that would defeat the purpose of why im not allowing multiple controllers of the same kind to be active what exactly do you need to do here? --- <sub>lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541173683437969589)</sub>
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It’s basically a power that has multiple partial transformations, most of which have their own idle or attack animations


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

It’s basically a power that has multiple partial transformations, most of which have their own idle or attack animations --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541175068980154389)</sub>
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And some also change the shape of the player, so I need to use animations to reposition non-render layers body parts too


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

And some also change the shape of the player, so I need to use animations to reposition non-render layers body parts too --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541175224094040124)</sub>
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Currently, the only way I can think of around this issue is to do an animation for every possible combination. Though I suppose having all the idles in one file might cut down on a little work


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Currently, the only way I can think of around this issue is to do an animation for *every* possible combination. Though I suppose having all the idles in one file might cut down on a little work --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541175974115414036)</sub>
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And may I ask, why is that? Does it cause issues?


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

And may I ask, why is that? Does it cause issues? --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541181816843796661)</sub>
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didnt u say ur planning to add specific render layer animations?


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

didnt u say ur planning to add specific render layer animations? --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541183927686004767)</sub>
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its to prevent animation/rendering overlaps and therefore weird visual glitches when mixing powers

yes


lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — jump to message

its to prevent animation/rendering overlaps and therefore weird visual glitches when mixing powers yes --- <sub>lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541186468737712340)</sub>
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What do you mean by that?


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

What do you mean by that? --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541186976726909080)</sub>
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Ah, darn. So there’s not really any way to do what I need, do you think?


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Ah, darn. So there’s not really any way to do what I need, do you think? --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541187053759369287)</sub>
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you can play around with molang in animations

and maybe write some complicated all-in-one animation ig

if that fits your needs


lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — jump to message

you can play around with molang in animations and maybe write some complicated all-in-one animation ig if that fits your needs --- <sub>lucas (@idkmaybelucas) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541187902837493772)</sub>
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I don’t see how molang would help, but yeah the all-in-one may be the only option. Thanks.


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

I don’t see how molang would help, but yeah the all-in-one may be the only option. Thanks. --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541190539292966933)</sub>
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Animations for render layers like gecko anims in 1.20. So we wont need multiple controllers for stuff like cosmetics


Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — jump to message

Animations for render layers like gecko anims in 1.20. So we wont need multiple controllers for stuff like cosmetics --- <sub>Froggy (@frogshamen) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541197048135680050)</sub>
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Oh wait that would literally fix my issues then

Huh ok


@legobrick22 via Discord — jump to message

Oh wait that would literally fix my issues then Huh ok --- <sub>@legobrick22 via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541204964787879936)</sub>
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Unrelated to the bug, but those wings look cool


Brendan a hero (@brendanahero) via Discord — jump to message

Unrelated to the bug, but those wings look cool --- <sub>Brendan a hero (@brendanahero) via Discord — [jump to message](https://discord.com/channels/116908382878695430/1537660476194955264/1541220155953250484)</sub>
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